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Google’s Wave Doesn’t Look Like a Tsunami

by Jorge Escobar on June 4, 2009

I expressly waited a week to write a post about Google Wave. I knew that if I wrote about it right after seeing the demo presented on the I/O developer’s convention, I was going to be drunk with thoughts of what the future of communication looks like.

But after watching it two days later, further reading and analysis, and explaining what it is to colleagues and non-technical friends, I believe the product could be welcome in certain circles but will be largely ignored by the general population.

Bear in mind that I base this anaylsis on what I’ve seen and read. I haven’t actually tested the product. Am I awaiting eagerly to have it? Yes, absolutely. I think it’s one of the coolest apps I’ve seen in a long time. The main issue for me is that the tool is trying to be everything at once, but it’s not clear why that is an advantage.

Here are some of the pitfalls that I could see become an obstacle for the adoption of the tool.

User Wall-Gardening

As I’ve written in the past, Google has failed when it has tried to make inroads on the social forefront. Google makes great tools, but social platforms has not been its forté. For Google Wave to reach its full potential it should use open user authentication, i.e. allow people from any network (either Twitter, MySpace, Facebook or Yahoo) to become a contact in my Google Wave. From what I’ve read and seen, it looks like you will have to be a Google user to get entrenched on the Wave (but others might correct me). I know that Wave can be installed in a company server, and at that point I’m not sure how authentication would work. I sure hope Wave allows people from any network to participate and not just Google contacts.

When realtime becomes a nuisance

As Twitter has shown, followed by Facebook and FriendFeed, realtime communications is all the rage. It’s where we’re headed. I can handle it, but the majority of people I’ve showed this to get an instant negative reaction to it. At first they think it’s cool, but if you ask them if they would use something like this they usually reply “no, that’s too fast for me.”. Granted, you will be able to stop the “realtime” writing of messages in Google Wave, but then, what is the difference between writing a message there or writing a normal email on Gmail?

Email threading works well as it is, so does instant messaging

I don’t know about you, but the majority of my email threads include only one more person. I rarely use email to discuss something with more than two people, and after seeing the demo, I’m not sure that I want the communication to be all over the place, looking at scattered lines popping up all over my email with no order. Yes, Wave allows you to see a timed progression of the comments, but I could see it becoming hard to follow.

If I want to have a more interactive conversation with a family member or a friend, I hop on to instant messaging. If it’s a total stranger, I create a one-off chat room with tinychat. I wouldn’t want to invite a total stranger to my Google Wave or have a conversation with a co-worker whom I don’t want a closer relationship with in something other than my messenger client.

The Content Silo

It also looks super cool to upload all this content to Google Wave. In the demos we are shown how you can drag and drop photos to the client and see a lightbox-style photo slideshow. But where do the photos live at that point? I know I can embed them using a Wave gadget, but can I further fetch them, export them, manipulate the metadata? And again, what’s the difference (or the benefit) between this and attaching photos in an email?

The same thing goes with the Wiki-style sharing. This information would be trapped in Google’s servers and I would be a little wary that they’re not under our control any more. What if I want to build a Wiki from all the Waves that I have created and shared? Can I get all that information out?

The Bottom Line

I think Google is trying to solve a problem we don’t have in the first place. Google Wave feels like an auto manufacturer that wants to mix a sports car, a family car and pickup truck in one. Each one of them has a specific need and a specific set of benefits. Email, Instant Messaging and Wikis work fine as they are, and mixing them might be something that most people don’t have the need for. I think Google Wave is a pet project that happens to tap into the buzz word of realtime collaboration, but it fails to deliver something that could be actually useful.

Photo Credit: Title: Majestic Surfer Wave Artist: Bruce Burtenshaw

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guruvan (Rob Nelson) June 4, 2009 at 11:05 pm

:-)

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Chieze Okoye June 4, 2009 at 11:05 pm

oic, yeah

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Chieze Okoye June 4, 2009 at 11:06 pm

if wikipedia can solve it, so can wave.

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Jorge Escobar June 4, 2009 at 11:07 pm

I do agree with guruvan in one thing: this could be a "before wave", "after wave" era, if things work out. It really is a revolutionary piece of software!

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guruvan (Rob Nelson) June 4, 2009 at 11:07 pm

Wikipedia has their difficulties, but there isn’t an easy way to automate all of that in the wiki. The wave (IMO) lends itself to this with the ability to invite robot entities into the wave as participants.

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Jorge Escobar June 4, 2009 at 11:08 pm

What about FF, guruvan? How is it affected?

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guruvan (Rob Nelson) June 4, 2009 at 11:10 pm

don’t get me wrong Jorge, the full adoption will take a long while. PLENTY of gateway products will have to be written – several so that you can send an email from/to a wave, a few more so that you can tweet from/to a wave, IM from/to a wave, SMS from/to a wave – the point is that we want the wave to become the centerpoint of the conversation. All these legacy data types will have to be supported to make it successful – we build on the previous layers

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guruvan (Rob Nelson) June 4, 2009 at 11:12 pm

I forsee a distinct possibility of them adopting the wave to FF, and this conversation we’re having now is in a wave ;) (but adding to our waves here, all of our aggregated content) – In fact I think that friendFeed is the best positioned to take advantage of the wave. Then Facebook. I think twitter is going to be left out in the cold, as a "legacy data type"

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guruvan (Rob Nelson) June 4, 2009 at 11:13 pm

What remains to be seen with a FriendFeed – is just how waves are begun, what their starting content is. Is it like this thread here, with each piece of aggregated content? or is it going to look some how different. I don’t know that yet.

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拓 | wavesand June 4, 2009 at 11:42 pm

i love the pic…..

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Matthew Kaskavitch June 5, 2009 at 12:29 am

Google Wave is really going to change communications online. Not only does Google’s offering already bring a feast to the table, it being open source for developers makes its potential limitless. It is very scaleable and agile.

I’m sure there will be an adjustment period online for the less inclined and less tech savvy users, but they will come eventully. Google Wave is very exciting and I cannot wait to get my hands on the beta release of it in the coming months.

Trust in ‘the Google’ :-)

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Jorge Escobar June 5, 2009 at 10:58 am

Great discussion guys! What I was thinking this morning was how this is exactly why we need something like Google Wave. Right now this discussion is trapped in Friendfeed (although it’s showing on my blog via Backtype) but people are also commenting on my blog and those comments are not showing here. I think bloggers would have a great way to power their commenting and aggregate that comment across many sites, like guruvan said some posts back…

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Todd Hoff June 5, 2009 at 11:13 am

Jorge there’s an advantage too towards distributing yourself across multiple sites, it makes you resilient to failure. A wave is centralized in the federated service provider. If it’s gone, if it fails, if it doesn’t scale, you are effectively dead. It also discourages innovation at the service layer and makes innovation only possible at the UI layer and making robots. FF innovates because it controls the stack. When your data is elsewhere their ability to innovate goes way down.

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guruvan (Rob Nelson) June 5, 2009 at 11:33 am

Jorge: You could not be more correct about the wave than in your last comment! Yes this discussion would be so much more in a Wave.

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Jorge Escobar June 5, 2009 at 11:35 am

@Rob, so then, it *is* a social media application or can be used for such, right? ::wink, wink::

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guruvan (Rob Nelson) June 5, 2009 at 11:38 am

Todd: You seem to contradict yourself in that statement. Certainly FriendFeed discussion is more centralized than wave discussion. The wavelets exist on every server that has a participant. Want multiple copies of the wave(let) add “multiple yous” from multiple wave providers. FriendFeed doesn’t encourage nearly as much innovation as the wave model. There’s just the one set of API calls @ FF – there are several APIs for the wave. (and more to come when more companies release wave servers and clients based on Google’s open source code) Google’s plan is to encourage innovation on client, server, and service levels. (gadgets/robots for their product, servers and clients from os code, services based on 3rd party servers)

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Todd Hoff June 5, 2009 at 11:53 am

“You seem to contradict yourself in that statement” both sides of my brain battle for the keyboard so this happens sometimes :-) They key is: “The federation case works just like the single server case because, for a given wavelet, a single designated “authoritative” server (identified by the domain part of the wavelet id) hosts the wavelet and operates as server. All the other servers act as dumb proxies, they just forward the operations between their clients and the authoritative server.”

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John W. Furst June 5, 2009 at 2:46 pm

The way you got most of the replies to your blog post via Friendfeed is already a bit “wave like,” isn’t it. Since Google Wave is a protocol and open source, you can be sure that its state-of-the-art implementation will be adapted to what people actually need. By the way: The first email was sent on the earl ARPANET in 1969 (according — not to the Google guys — but according to Wikipedia) What did the client look like back then? Something plain ASCII text based in a command line console. What do we have today? Multimedia embedded and attached, pretty fonts, easy to follow threads, … How long did it take till email spread and became so popular? I guess I could count myself as being an early adopter. Got my first email address in 1993. Google Wave will spread to the masses. It will take some time, but less time than it took for email to take off. One crucial feature I will want is being able to work off-line. Like it is possible with Gmail already. I personally like having data in the cloud, but I also don’t want to be…

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Jorge Escobar June 5, 2009 at 2:52 pm

Great observations John! I wish this thread was on Google Wave indeed, so that this comment appeared at the same time in my blog, FriendFeed, Facebook and Twitter at the same time! :)

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John W. Furst June 5, 2009 at 4:28 pm

I just learned something new. I was able to correct my embarrassing typing errors here on Friendfeed. Wow. A pre-wave experience. I wonder, if “spelli” would have caught those typos right away. We’ll see.

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guruvan (Rob Nelson) June 5, 2009 at 8:36 pm

But think of all those emails you sent with embarrassing typos that you couldn’t correct.

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Todd Weidman June 6, 2009 at 7:59 am

Adoption of the Wave in the workplace is something I’ve been struggling to comprehend since I’ve seen the announcement and product demo. In my experience, our "work" conversations are much more controlled than our "friend/social" conversations". Work conversations are much more structured and based on inherent organizational processes and hierarchies. Aside from using this in the corporate world to facilitate development work (as a Business Analyst in a prior life, I do see the value), I believe the rigid corporate structure – in other departments – would inhibit the uptake and acceptance. Prove me wrong. What are the use cases? How is this rolled out with Change Management practices in the workplace?

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david pavlicko June 6, 2009 at 8:52 am

Those of you that DONT think Wave will be revolutionary are whacked. and I’m no google fan-boy. Obviously not for everyone – I don’t think corporate will dive into this early on – but for friends and groups I see it blowing up in a big (good) way. the fact that it’s open source is key – I think the product in one year will be much, much more than it is now. Even still, the ability to play back email or im messages, intersperse comments in the middle, add contacts to existing conversations, edit simultaneously, generate visual polls (just the start), and translate in real-time are pretty hot in my book. I’m crossing my fingers hoping to get an api key for it!,,,,

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Kipp Elliott Watson July 26, 2009 at 9:35 am

“The same thing goes with the Wiki-style sharing. This information would be trapped in Google’s servers and I would be a little wary that they’re not under our control any more. What if I want to build a Wiki from all the Waves that I have created and shared? Can I get all that information out?”

I have access to the Google Wave sandbox and have been privileged to try it out. This concern about Google controlling the distribution of all information in the future is not warranted. The Google Wave API makes it clear that servers will share the hosting of waves. Which servers? Depends on the participants. Not necessarily Google, as the Google Wave API will be open source. This means that waves can be started on any host and Google likely would not be a participant. They could continue to provide search services that some would say are ubiquitous, but that’s another story.

“I think Google Wave is a pet project that happens to tap into the buzz word of realtime collaboration, but it fails to deliver something that could be actually useful.”

There will always be a role for the pony express, but anyone who thinks realtime collaboration is just a buzz word is in for a rude awakening. It’s going to happen. The only issue is when will there be a critical mass that supplants emailing and IM with robust realtime collaboration. When this does finally happen, it is difficult to say that there will be anything better than Google Wave for this purpose. Concerns about information overload are legitimate (e.g. Bill Gates quitting Facebook because he has too many FB friends), but the bottom line is that people can do more with recordable realtime collaboration (instant feedback in both or many directions) than with just email.

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pavlicko August 9, 2010 at 4:34 pm

Oh well, guess I blew that prediction. One year out and down it goes – honestly, I never spent more than a few hours with it, too sluggish and disjointed for my taste.

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